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Removing oil Injection. Ds7 r5 etc

Posted: Sat May 07, 2016 1:57 pm
by bosslock
Hey lads. Can u simply remove oil Pump and cap off oil feeds into the cylinders? (replace banjo bolts with standard bolts) Will this produce any problems? Ie carbs not tuned for premix?

Re: Removing oil Injection. Ds7 r5 etc

Posted: Sat May 07, 2016 8:17 pm
by ged
I'm sure it's been done before.

What's the issue with the oil injection?

Re: Removing oil Injection. Ds7 r5 etc

Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 11:28 am
by BRG1200
Is the bike being used for racing or road riding?

Have a search on here about premix, oil pumpsand so on, there's been a few discussions and some good points made.
There's also a chap known as Arrow who has a good rep for rebuilding oil oumps.

Re: Removing oil Injection. Ds7 r5 etc

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 9:08 am
by bosslock
I have 350 barrels on the ds7 so my oil Pump won't keep up or. Isn't calibrated for that?

Re: Removing oil Injection. Ds7 r5 etc

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 3:01 pm
by James W.
Best ask member Arrow for a definitive answer..
.. but AFAIK Yamahas have tended to use a fairly basic oil-injection set-up..

Even the later stuff, like RZ's pump it to the carb/inlet tract only,
unlike more sophisticated Kawasakis/Suzukis which pumped it to the crank too..

Likewise, modern oils likely are sufficiently improved - to give enough protection,
on the dosage provided for normal road-use running.. & going premix is a pain for that..

Re: Removing oil Injection. Ds7 r5 etc

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 9:10 pm
by ged
Hopefully arrow will be along to fill us in, but your right, by the time the RDs arrived, they used different pump ratios for the 250/350. Not sure about the R5/DS7. A check of the online parts listing at Partzilla would show you.

Probably wouldn't prove too difficult to track down an R5 pump? Easier, cleaner and more accurate than premix.

Re: Removing oil Injection. Ds7 r5 etc

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 9:37 pm
by BRG1200
I'm certainly no expert, but the pumps allow for different ratios at different revs, premix is whatever you mix it and thats that.
If you're putting a bigger displacement on your motor then one of the more experienced on here may have someuseful tips.

Re: Removing oil Injection. Ds7 r5 etc

Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 5:15 am
by arrow
Hi, its possible to use the worm and pump from the 350. The parts come up on eBay. 250 to 350 oiling is around a 30% increase.
Arrow.

Re: Removing oil Injection. Ds7 r5 etc

Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 9:32 am
by ged
So will the R5 and RD350 pumps be interchangeable Arrow?

Re: Removing oil Injection. Ds7 r5 etc

Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 9:39 am
by arrow
I am more (totally) confident with the later a/c and lc/ypvs/tzr pumps. I would need to see all the parts in front of me to say for sure.
Arrow.

Re: Removing oil Injection. Ds7 r5 etc

Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 9:42 am
by arrow
Just to add, Yamaha changed the gear inside the 350 a/c pump during the production run, so two different pumps.

Re: Removing oil Injection. Ds7 r5 etc

Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 3:51 pm
by James W.
Can the OP try running a static pump output test & see how much it is delivering?

If it compares ok with what a later model 350 gives, it should be sweet..
It might be that those early `70s pumps were set up for a high ratio, due to the available oil quality then,
& because a smoky exhaust wasn't such a big deal emissions-wise then, either.

Re: Removing oil Injection. Ds7 r5 etc

Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 8:38 pm
by arrow
Pump output is measured in what comes out per 200 strokes which makes all the twin outlet ones all the same! How quickly it does 200 strokes is due to many different gear and worm combinations, and white plastic drive gears/primaries.

Re: Removing oil Injection. Ds7 r5 etc

Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 10:49 am
by BRG1200
Interesting point

Re: Removing oil Injection. Ds7 r5 etc

Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 2:55 pm
by James W.
Ta Arrow, but Is there a standard volumetric pump output measurement figure quoted for each model?
- & to reference/test check his against?